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A Meditation on the State of the Lesbian Hookup

 

I’ve been pondering the idea of the lesbian hookup for some time.  Mostly because I cannot find a steady stream of lesbians interested in hookups (vs. monogamous relationships). And not for lack of trying. I do not flatter myself that I am someone every lesbian in NYC (and beyond) wants to be with in any capacity, but there is in fact a certain steady interest in me on other fronts, namely the monogamous dating relationship.

I do know there are pockets of the lesbian community where being poly is a way of life, often even while having a primary partner: The fat dyke/trans community, the BDSM community, the sex-positive activist/erotica writer/advice columnist/blogger crowd and the like. But, for plain (though not vanilla) single lesbians who are neither followers nor joiners, there is a vast void in the dyke community, such as it is, in the arena of casual sex/casual relationships.

I was (luckily!) with another lesbian with the same causal sexual leanings as mine the other night and she said she had been searching for and researching casual lesbian sex for many years and found a similar void. She told me it seems in her experience most lesbians don’t actually enjoy sex with women. And, although I’ve never pinpointed it myself or stated the issue in those exact terms that is also my experience. It’s also my experience that most lesbians don’t even understand the technical aspects of lesbian sex, which is very disappointing. There seems to be, in the general pool of available lesbians, a real difficulty with the idea of sex in general, making the jump to actually having sex next to impossible.

For as much as we’ve come a long way, baby, there still remains the cobwebs of the idea that sex is yucky or taboo or sacred or… something other than an intentional, productive connection with another woman, whether a one-time fuck or an ongoing NSA deal. This is quite disturbing to me on many levels. It goes back to my core belief that mainstreaming queerness (same-sex marriage, queer families, and lesbians having children at light-speed) and the attendant constantly-tired-lesbians-with-no-time-for-sex and/or lesbian bed death running rampant is a by-product of ceasing to identify as a radical (and passionate) community. All of which creates an atmosphere where the lesbian hookup is viewed not only with suspicion, but is cast as the weak alternative to the almighty monogamous relationship.

The recreational quest for the casual lesbian hookup vs. the desperate hunt for a monogamous lifetime mate, life partner, co-parent or other long-term, fulltime (read: legitimate) relationship seems to contradict, contraindicate and very unfortunately turn back the clock on both the feminist/hippie-waged sexual revolution and our own lesbian community’s strive for a sex positive lifestyle. And therein lies the rub: As as much as we lament mainstream—and other—outlets (media, family, friends, religion, colleagues, etc.) pigeonholing lesbianism into the “lifestyle” box, the lesbian community in fact has lain down almost dead and taken on the mantle of the “lifestyle” default position as opposed to creating, nurturing and maintaining interesting and different satisfying positions both sexual and intellectual!

Yes, the community has its sex positive activists, but they are mostly speaking to the converted, preaching to the choir. For example, I receive Carol Queen’s media alerts on a regular basis, NYC’s Lesbian Sex Mafia’s announcements, various local sex arty invites, converse and debate with my friend Joan Nestle, read (and interview and write about) Tristan Taormino, etc. I wonder how many of these women and their crews are having casual sex with the choir being ecstatic and sexually satisfied revelers rather than bored and lonely followers of these sexual pioneers and gurus. Practicing what one preaches is not always easy, but does anyone really walk the talk these days?

In any case, my recent hookup comrade also indicated that one of her past hookup partners hit upon a potential solution, if you will, for the fear and loathing of lesbian hookups: THE MAKE OUT DATE. This is a euphemism that seems to make the hookup more palatable. This idea involves the scenario where one woman meets another with the intention, if there is chemistry, to make out with no pressure to “take it below the waist” though that is a “plus” in the equation. As much as making hooking up more “palatable” to more lesbians makes me extremely queasy because it smells of more mainstream bullshit, begging and pleading, I am all for it if it gets dykes off their couches and into the arms (and pussies) of other lesbians. And in particular if it improves and builds on sexual curiosity, improvement in both sexual knowledge and technique along with a shift in worldview about the place of casual sex in the lesbian community.

Additional thoughts from a sister in a recent mutual hookup:

There are a lot of clubs/groups/organizations (such as the Lesbian Sex Mafia, BDSM crowd, etc.) and I am not a member of any of them, but I have gone to a fair handful of events and none have ever ended with or even come close to leading to casual sex.  Plus, do I have to belong to a club to have casual sex? Gay men have unaffiliated casual sex all the time. (I do realize that these are more than "clubs"—they are also communities of people who come together to educate and support each other and have friendships as well as sex.)  But still, as an independent person, I want to have casual sex!

And, I wonder if women think that casual sex, or make out dates seem (and I hate this word) slutty? And I wonder if women who want a monogamous relationship fear they won't end up in one if they are having casual sex?  But I think these are two separate things.  Having a (healthy!) long-term committed/monogamous relationship is what many women want, (and gosh, that sounds ideal to me, too). BUT, WHO WANTS TO BE CELIBATE WHILE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ONE?! So many factors are involved in having a successful relationship and it can take a long time to find a match and/or develop something longer term with one person. So I think in this new blossoming era of the MAKE OUT DATE women should know it's ok to have fun while you are out there dating—whether you intend to ultimately be monogamous—or not!

AND - this lesbian bed death thing? I think some of that is about women who don't really like having sex period. If I had a girlfriend or life partner, I'd want to be having lots of sex—because the rest of my relationships with women are NOT about having sex. There's no point in having a girlfriend unless sex is involved. (Not to say you don't have a deeper relationship with your loved one on other levels.) But really, I have so many, and such good friends that are there for me on many deep levels.

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Mar 5, 2009 06:37 pm
 Posted by  Kiana

Hey, i agree. I have so many girlfriends, i need a women that i can have serious sex with. However, i want to walk away after sex and meet up again whenever we decide to have sex again. Call me if your interested!!!

Mar 12, 2009 12:07 am
 Posted by  Anonymous

In a big city, it may be far easier to have casual sex with other lesbians or bi-curious females. But, when you live in a small(er) community, it becomes problematic. Only in that any lesbian social event or "girls night" brings out the same people and ultimately you are running into them again and again. And then you're just a small town Shane.

I also have my doubts that women in general, hetero or gay, can embrace casual sex since we are socialized to equate sex with love. I wish it were possible, I think lesbians in general would become much more adept in the art of sex.

Mar 17, 2009 12:20 pm
 Posted by  Anonymous

I agree that we, as women, are socialized to equate sex with love. But if I were being totally honest with myself, the real reason I don't push for as much casual sex as I would like to have, is because of how painful rejection can be. And, for the body positive attitudes the lesbian culture "promotes" as it's PC duty, people have become socialized to only see a certain body type as attractive. As I write this, I realize/think that the socialization of what is sexually attractive is by far more powerful than the socialization of equating sex for love. So when I am rejected, I don't just hear the specific person who's rejecting me as saying, "I'm not attracted, to you etc." Rather the message I am taking in is that "You aren't sexually attractive - to anyone." Who wants to get hit with that message when you were hoping for an evening of fun?

Apr 11, 2009 09:01 pm
 Posted by  Anonymous

I would be curious to know the age of the author. In my age group, mid-twenties, there is no problem finding casual sex--even in a small town.

I get the impression from the article that the author is a bit older than me, maybe mid-thirties? I think she is encountering a generational hesitance against casual sex, not a lesbian reluctance.

Apr 12, 2009 03:05 am
 Posted by  Stephanie Schroeder

Re: "anonymous" above: Yes, I am older than you (mid-40s), and I think you are quite right about generational resistance. There are, as I wrote, several pockets of the lesbian community that are very active casually, but 1) they are not necessarily communities in which I like to participate or forms of sex I like to indulge and 2) the individual women available for and interested in casual sex seem to be the same women--even in a city of 8 million people like New York where I live--whom I've encountered again and again over the span of two decades. I guess I missed the boat by being in a long-term relationship in my 20s!

I'd be interested in your perspective about casual sex as a 20something.

Apr 14, 2009 02:55 pm
 Posted by  Anonymous

I wasn't going to post then "....is because of how painful rejection can be." hit me like a brick. I just recently stepped back into the community, met a beautiful woman and we were having lots of fun and headed towards casual sex. Then I got THE email......

"Hi..........Seems that some 'issues' have cropped up surrounding my ex.......I need some space to figure it out."

And I am willing to bet that I am one of MANY women to get a similar email in one form or another.

I'm thinking that part of the issue in our community is the "back & forth" syndrome with "the ex". I am watching several of my friends do it right now, I've done it. Wondering WHY we have so much trouble of letting go of relationships that aren't healthy for us, or not providing what we really need/want from a relationship?? Do we really fear that there are that few women out there to date? Are we devaluing ourselves? Are we THAT insecure? I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it makes me sad.

And my other point.....
Ladies, please make sure you are finished with your long term ex before you start reeling in someone else on any level. It might just be casual sex, but complication and rejection still stink!

Apr 17, 2009 08:58 am
 Posted by  Ves-Cag

Nice topic. I have been frustrated by this phenomena as well. Speaking as another twenty-something, I don't think age is the main problem here. I myself have hooked up with a forty-something for a casual night. I think your first assessment about the mainstreaming of queerness was very apt. The pendulum swings back and forth on the fads of dyke culture and currently there seems to be a backlash against the counter-culture movement of "alternative" sexualities. Like the changing dress-code of lesbians, it seems now that many twenty, thirty and older gay women are more interested in picking out china and planning the ceremony. I thought the whole point of being queer was to get out of this shit. I also don't want to have join the BDSM groups to enjoy casual sex. I'm not opposed to having a long-term relationship, I just don't want to have to commit to it before we even get started. This constant seeking of a long-term partner creates women unwilling to expose themselves in a physical or emotional way to a greater realm of experience. Thanks for airing a frustration I think that we are not alone in.

Apr 19, 2009 06:55 am
 Posted by  carol

hi,
I love talking to new women,pleasse write.from where ever you live.
carol

May 17, 2009 04:41 am
 Posted by  briglewis

signing up

May 26, 2009 11:05 am
 Posted by  mel8893

I think there are a lot of bi curious women out there more than anyone even knows about because they are afraid to come out or dont know where to start like me I have been on the internet for about 1 year just looking to find someone to have casual sex with just to see if this is what I really like or is just me being curious???

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